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[apfel]

Nice small update! The "foremost" option is very useful and handy.

[Roman]

   Thank you so much for WinFlip Ver.0.423Debug !

Quite a lot of suggestions and some bugs ( especially with the blue taskbar filling ) have been implemented and fixed. Thank you.

WinFlip Ver.0.423Debug feels great.

I have read ATTENTION carefully, so I do know that you are working on it, but 1 hour after starting the new version I experienced the CRASH bug in EXACTLY the same way as stated a couple of messages above.

I tried what Amos had suggested concerning this problem and waited 7 minutes ( all I could afford this 15th time ) - the message stayed on the screen with OS not responding.

With this bug, system's module exactly called "OfficeWatson" is hanging too.

This is just to add info concerning this bug.

Thank you for WinFlip Ver.0.423Debug again - really nice features added !

[amos]

Great work, Koji.

Roman, your system seems particularly susceptible to that bug! Have you always run WinFlip with High or Realtime priority? If so, that could possibly increase the frequency of the problem.

[koji]

Hi apfel, roman and amos

apfel
I like the function too. It was a nice idea. I'm enjoying.

roman
Could you just try "ALT + Q" next time When WinFlip on your PC hungs up.
It's a special key assign just for v.0.423Debug.(not in future release)

aoms
You are helping WinFlip users very well at this board. Thanks.

[Roman]

 ::)I do not want to reply too early, when I have not tried "ALT-Q" yet, but maybe I should add that:









1.   Of all versions, only WinFlip 0.42 30% of the time ( 2 times of 

6 ) did not hang my system ( WinFlip was running every time under

equal conditions ) and let me click on the "Debug/Close".

Versions ( including all the debug versions ) other than WinFlip

0.42 never crashed without hanging my system.


So, is there something in WinFlip 0.42 that lets me sometimes

crash "successfully" ? 










2. I started changing WinFlip.exe's priority just three days ago ( it is hard to find this process in task manager ), and I cannot say that doing so increased the frequency of crashing. I guess it does not affect the crash problem at all. What it gives me is quicker responsiveness and better tile drawings with almost no occasional black flashing inside the tiles. Especially when the system load is heavy. This is why I brought up this issue.

By the way, some similar to WinFlip programs ( not only TopDesk ) have "High" priority" for their processes.

I have only general knowledge of Windows XP process priority levels and am not familiar with the WinFlip's algorythm, so I admit I may be mistaken.

I can guarantee one thing only : WinFlip 0.42 ( before the Debug versions ) was the only version that would let me sometimes ( but not always ) crash "successfully" without blocking and hanging my system ( sometimes I could click on "Debug/Close" message and exit successfully ).




Thanks Koji and Amos for ideas. I will try the "Alt - Q" when I use WinFlip and get the crash bug. I will then submit my report concerning it. 


 

[amos]

As it happens, with the latest debug version, WinFlip has crashed my PC twice in three days, and it hasn;t recovered either time. Roman, I think you're right in concluding that service priority has no connection to frequency of crash.

[Roman]

   Before I leave this cute board,

Amos, did you press the "Alt-Q" when crash happened ?

To Koji: left-clicking the tray icon is cool for me too, I use it, thanks.
It is kind of cool to minimize the desktop tile with Right click when flipping.

For me personally, flipping the desktop tile when no other windows open was better, but I do respect all other users' wishes.

If anyone could close all windows and get a system's message ( or maybe test an archive and get "Ok" - make sure there are no windows open but the message is on ) - Flip now ! Cool ! It was not so in previous versions. I got this when was shutting down the comp and, having a system's "Close/End Task", I flipped. A small insignifficant bug. Never mind, but it was better in 0.422

Of my list, bug # 2 does happen - but this is quite another story.

I am being in such hurry now, I should 've waited for tomorrow instead of posting this last one. Am going to turn on my PC at home tonight, but am not sure.

Koji, please read my other today's posts, 1 post which is somewhere else in the board ( Tray options + Disable/Enable for WinFlip ). Of course if you have not already.

Peace and joy to you folks, write to you later. 

[amos]

Whoops, didn't read Koji's note - no, I didn't press Alt-Q. if it happens again, I'll try that.

[koji]

In addition, just keep pressing Alt+Q untill WinFlip quits.
I tried once and succeed once.

NOTE: This is just one of my challenge. It's not a permanent fix. Therefore, Could you tell me what happend after you tried it.

[koji]

1.   Of all versions, only WinFlip 0.42 30% of the time ( 2 times of 

6 ) did not hang my system ( WinFlip was running every time under

equal conditions ) and let me click on the "Debug/Close".

Versions ( including all the debug versions ) other than WinFlip

0.42 never crashed without hanging my system.

In my opinion, It means there are some types of crash.
I'm going to find them. and fix them.

[Roman]

 

Sorry friends, I missed our chat room today, so please visit:

http://winflip.stylekings.de/board/index.php/topic,69.0.html



HotKey Manager 1.70 is really what we need before CRASH is fixed. The manager lets you set many keys for various processes, including starting or killing WinFlip.exe (can adjust asking before killing).


http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/HotKey-Manager.shtml



As well as softpedia, I guarantee it's free of charge and viruses. I have already tested it with WinFlip, I flip and winflip.exe in some specific cases hangs, so I just press the hotkey to kill current (it happens to always be Winflip when I am in flip mode)  and WinFlip exits right away !

You can do tricks like mine on anything you wish - ANY THING !

I have been using WinFlip 0.423 rather carefully and have not had the CRASH, but I do not loose "hope" to get it - and some time in future have it fixed (no pushing on Koji , cheers Koji and thanks again for the left-click).

Koji: whenever crash happened in past, it really blocked all keyboard keys but pressing "ctrl alt del" a few limited times without "enter" and many other keyboard keys allowed. In place of mouse pointer was the "hang" sign. Does winflip.exe take control of the same CPU interruption used by mouse and keyboard ?  If so, use other than mouse and keyboard's CPU interruption thread.

"Alt - Q" is cool, could you add to it "Alt-Escape" just for me (I'm serious).
Add "Space" to be as mouse-click, too, please (I know you will).


Really, no girls around ?
... Ah, only their boyfrends using WinFlip !



So, checking "alt-q" while CRASH later.






All the good to you ! 
 

[Roman]

 

The last for today, I guess I should add that I have changed the Winflip.exe's priority three times only so far, one time I even turned it down to "Below Normal" and additionally turned off thread 2 on Winflip.exe for my Hyper-Threading Pentium Prescott - gave me nothing but slow-down. All the rest times I was always running WinFlip without changing anything and the bug popped up AS WELL.

I do not really try to conclude much, nor do I ever mean to teach - I guess that repporting and brainstorming is all I have been trying to do in this messaeboard all times. So, do not take me wrong, just in case.

Best regards, Roman.

[Roman]

 

Hi and good weekend to everyone !

Have not had the crash yet (but pressed Alt-Q many times ,

if I can put it correctly:



Koji, is it possible to program WinFlip so that it does not show

the "Debug/Close" message and the operating system's module

"OfficeWatson" is not initiated on crash ?





Just to illustrate with example, I will describe the way TopDesk

crashes: I cannot really notice when it does crash, I do not get

any messages from TopDesk or from my operating system, I can

do regular work on my computer and I notice that TopDesk is

not running only when I press the TopDesk's hot key to flip and

the flip does not occur. If WinFlip could crash exactly like or

similar to the way TopDesk crashes, it would be splendid.





WinFlip043Debug is cool indeed, thank you.

Good weeekend to everyone again !

Roman, Ukraine.

[Roman]

 

Koji, just to make sure if in case: all I say is to provide some little info possibly useful, it is not to push your work.

Roman.

[bebegurl]

how come the 'skip foremost window' doesn't work on me. i am very sure the option is checked. it worked the first time i installed it but doesn't anymore when i restarted.