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[Quaresma_7]

This is a bug I get on my computer when I use WinFlip. It's a great program and I really want to use it, but this graphics bug prevents me from it.



It's weird, I read it can be used even on low-end computers without difficulties (and mine isn't exactly low-end), and even so I have this issue.

[amos]

I'm sorry, although I would guess it was a graphics driver problem, I don't know what causes this. Hang around for a while and someone with more idea might pop up and help.

Does it only happen when you're playing video, as shown?

Thanks for the report.

- Amos

[Quaresma_7]

I'm sorry, although I would guess it was a graphics driver problem, I don't know what causes this. Hang around for a while and someone with more idea might pop up and help.

Does it only happen when you're playing video, as shown?

Thanks for the report.

- Amos

Oh, the window in the middle isn't playing video. It's my wallpaper! 
As for video, I tried WinFlip on another computer and it worked fine, but just a blank instead of video in a video window - that's probably to be fixed in future releases. I also looked a bit to discover how fast the refresh rate is for WinFlip and I figured it's not as big as Vista's 3D Flip is. Vista 3D Flip shows real-time video and window contents.
Anyway, I'm really happy with the way it functions, it looks great when I tried it. One more difference between Vista 3D Flip and WinFlip is that Vista's flipper rotates the windows more than WinFlip, so you can see the windows even better. Plus, the desktop shows the icons as well in Vista.

But all I want to do now is to fix the issue on my computer, to make WinFlip work as great as it can, or at least work properly 

[amos]

Do you have this bug with other 3D applications, or only WinFlip?

By the way, feel free to suggest new features such as flipping windows at a better angle, as you say, in the Feature Suggestions forum.

- Amos

[Mark]

Having the same issue with winflip as Quaresma is having.
Winflip worked find with an older CRT monitor with resolution set at 1024x768
My current monitor, dell 22" flat panel also works at 1024x768 but only at that resolution. If you increase or decrease the resolution this bug appears. I'm running XP pro SP2. My graphics card is a nvidia geforce 8800 with updated drivers. I also tried an old nvidia tnt2 card with forceware driver v71.89 again with the same bug issue.
Perhaps this is a nvidia card problem???

[amos]

This seems quite serious - I'm running an NVidia GeForce 8600 GT (I think) and have no such problem on a 17" TFT screen at 1280x1024.

I'll flag this for the developer to look at. Thanks for your reports.

- Amos

[koji]

Hi Quaresma_7

Welcome to WinFlip Messageboard!

I want you try other flip3d clone software(e.g. "TopDesk").
And tell me the result pls?

Some of peoples reported same kind of problem before.
Some of cases were fixed by video driver update. but other cases were not fixed.

Currently I have no way to debug it. because I don't have the environment which has got this problem.

Regards,
Koji

Thanks Amos

[Quaresma_7]

Having the same issue with winflip as Quaresma is having.
Winflip worked find with an older CRT monitor with resolution set at 1024x768
My current monitor, dell 22" flat panel also works at 1024x768 but only at that resolution. If you increase or decrease the resolution this bug appears. I'm running XP pro SP2. My graphics card is a nvidia geforce 8800 with updated drivers. I also tried an old nvidia tnt2 card with forceware driver v71.89 again with the same bug issue.
Perhaps this is a nvidia card problem???

Maybe it IS an nVidia graphics card problem. I also have an nVidia and I tried to set my resolution to 1024x768. Guess what? It works perfectly set to that resolution! What now? I want both WinFlip and my res...
Btw, I'll try those other programs, but I guess they'll work.

[Leon1464]

It looks like a bad monitor frequency. Anyway I think it is a problem of nvidia and their drivers. Every time nVidia release a new graphic card the first drivers they are buggy and have some issues that are addressed over time. Just wait for the next driver release.

[Roman]

Hi all,

Quaresma_7, do you always have the situation as on your screenshot, or what are the circumstances ?

I personally had something similar, very rarely and for a short moment, when I used my native GeForce 6600 driver. The bug disappeared completely after I updated to latest NVIDIA driver.

Regards.

[alphaomega]

I have this problem as well on a fresh install of XP SP3
using the standard vga drivers.

The same problem still occurs even after installing the
nvidia drivers for my video card (71.89).

So I do not think the problem is the nvidia driver
since it occurs for me under the standard vga driver
and the nvidia driver.

I do notice however, that if I set my resolution to
1024x768 the program somewhat works (only non maximized
windows appear as in the snapshop above).

As for other programs:

With Topdesk, I only get the icon in the task bar.
I get nothing else from the program (not even a response
from a right click on the icon in the taskbar).

ShockAero3D, works just fine (it just uses about
10X as much memory as WinFlip).

I would really like to get this working if possible.

Winflip snapshot:


ShockAero3D snapshot:


Any additional ideas on how to possibly get this working?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers

[koji]

Hi alphaomega

Thanks for your bug report.

I do notice however, that if I set my resolution to
1024x768 the program somewhat works (only non maximized
windows appear as in the snapshop above).

I don't know the reason why but it looks the texture image is not created properly.
It can be a hint for debuging this.
Just I wanna make sure that.... Could you try the "Use system memory instead of video memory" option in "Other" tab? doesn't change anything?

But... the ShockAero3D looks fine. great work!

Cheers,
Koji

[alphaomega]

Sorry.
Switching between using system memory instead
of video memory made no difference.
The program merely re-started with the new
setting... when I made the change.
No change in program output.
I'm just hoping that a fix or workaround
may be found as more information about the
problem is collected.
My video card is an old Nvidia Vanta 16mb.
Using the 71.89 driver.
I can get 1024x768 32bit but only at 60Hz.
I can get 800x600, 640x480 32bit at 85,75,72, and 60Hz.

Any orther settings I could possibly tweak
(in the program, my display settings, or
video card driver)?

[Roman]

I'm just hoping that a fix or workaround
may be found as more information about the
problem is collected.
My video card is an old Nvidia Vanta 16mb.
Using the 71.89 driver.
I can get 1024x768 32bit but only at 60Hz.
I can get 800x600, 640x480 32bit at 85,75,72, and 60Hz.

Any orther settings I could possibly tweak
(in the program, my display settings, or
video card driver)?

In the screenshot, I understand A and C are minimized. If so, were the windows A and C minimized before starting WinFlip or after ? It could be worth starting WinFlip, then maximizing all windows, then flipping, and while flipping minimizing the windows you need by right-clicking on them. Will it then draw minimized windows correctly ?

I reckon I saw something similar a couple of times when starting WinFlip while having some windows minimized. The idea again is to have all windows maximized when launching WinFlip, and once WinFlip has initialized alright, then try minimizing some windows to see if they get drawn correctly.

Yes, common fate of Hi Tech, Vanta 16Mb is a bit obsolete, but any video card becomes eventually old. On the tokyodownstairs.com and in this forum as well, one of the WinFlip requirements is a video card to support DirectX 9c and Hardware Acceleration, and to have 32 Mb VRAM. Nonetheless your screenshot looks encouraging, and WinFlip will probably function alright with Vanta.

Also, try adjusting (lowering) Antialiasing and Texture Quality settings (through WinFlip tray icon).

Thank you very much for taking the time to search this forum and for submitting the bug report.

[alphaomega]

No, in the screenshot A and C are not minimized (they are just not maximized).

Starting WinFlip before opening any window...
then opening some windows...and maximizing all windows...
then flipping the windows...everything is okay
if I'm at a resolution of 1024x768@60Hz
and all windows are maximized.

It is only when some of the windows are not maximized that I see the problem.
(Or when I'm in another resolution and refresh rate other than 1024x768@60Hz).

I currently have directx 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) on Windows XP SP3 (w/all updates).
dxdiag does not detect any problems with directx and I can
run the directdraw and direct3d acceleration tests
(with the spinning cube) with no problem.

I can not change the setting for antialiasing (0 is the only option I can select).
I tried changing the texture quality as well...no difference.

Hope I answered all your questions.

P.S. On a side note...
Do you know of any program I can use to test my video card...
that might help to isolate the problem besides dxdiag?

I know in Linux, I can get direct rendering for 2D stuff.
3D stuff has to use indirect software rendering.
But of course that is in linux.

And shockaero3D works just fine using opengl,
I'm just not sure if that is software or hardware rendering.

Either way, if you have any other ideas.  Please share them.
Cheers